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Sorry! Put this up a day late, but talk about the other 30 NFL teams in action this week here.
Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 04 Dec 2009
334 replies , Last at
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RickD
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by Grouchy Bills Fan (not verified) :: Fri, 12/04/2009 - 12:25pm
sigh.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sat, 12/05/2009 - 6:59pm
It doesn't have anything to do with their on the field opponent, but are the vikings trying to set a record for most players to get caught over the century mark on the road?
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 12:27pm
I can't believe they didn't already have that record.
They just seem to have had more than their share of, say, questionable behavior by their players off-the-field over the years (e.g., Tommy Kramer, Love Boat). Of course, since I grew up in Colorado, it may be just that I otherwise didn't hear about the Vikings--plus those incidents made it fun to make fun of my dad for being a Viking fan.
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Vollmer out again
by PatsFan :: Sat, 12/05/2009 - 10:15pm
Pats have released their "out" list:
WR Julian Edelman
FB Fred Taylor
DB Sean Springs
DB Brett Lockett
OT Sebastian Vollmer
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 12:55pm
I grew up in the Mountain Time Zone and am now in the Central Time Zone.
Nearly four months here and I'm still always expecting games to start at 11:00 instead of 12:00.
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by jebmak :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 1:50pm
I moved from east to central and now I get my games an hour early every week. I want to move out west, it must be like a dream world.
Also, apparently, two thirds of the texting public thinks that the Saints have a better offense than the 2007 Pats.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:03pm
I loved being in the Mountain Time Zone for football games because halftime was usually 12:15-12:30 area, great for eating lunch.
I remember Bill Simmons saying that it was the best thing about moving to Los Angeles (or one of the best, at least) that football games started so early. No need to stay up late for the night game if you wanted to see it, or you could go out after both of the day games and still have time to do other things.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:06pm
I lived in the Pacific time zone from 1975-1987 and it is a dream for NFL viewing. Early games start at 10:00, late games start at 1:00 or 1:15, and the prime time games start between 5:00 and 6:00 which means they all end by 9:30.
The Alaska time zone is an hour behind the Pacific time zone, which isn't a bad thing for Sunday ball. I have to get up at a time that some people might think unreasonable for a Sunday (around 8 AM), but since my days of getting hammered on Saturday night are a long ways behind me, it's not a big deal for me. The draw back to the Alaska time zone is that the Monday and Thursday games all start while I'm at work or on my way home from work so I have to watch them on delay from my DVR. But, I can live with that.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:05pm
Manning throws to Austin Collie, it bounces off his hands right to Garcon, who gets about 8 more yards after the catch. Just when you thought the Colts were good enough on their own, they start getting the breaks, too!
Tennessee player (Vincent Fuller) is down.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:06pm
In Baltimore, given the choice of Colts-Titans, Patriots-Dolphins, and Texans-Jaguars, we get... Steelers-Raiders. I'm happy to be able to see the Skins game without streaming, but... oi.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:09pm
Early, I have Ten@Ind or NO@Was. Late, I have Dal@NYG. I will be watching Ten@Ind.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:07pm
So, I've got NO-WSH and NE-MIA for the early games and DAL-NYG for the late game. I'm starting with NO-WSH.
NO can't sustain their opening drive and punt to WSH. Brees was nearly picked on the drive.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:11pm
Indy gets a 36-yard pass to Garcon and then Addai runs into the end zone through one of the biggest holes I've ever seen.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:12pm
I can't help but think this a bit of a trap game for NO. It can't be easy for NO to get up for an inferior WSH team after the beat down they put on NE last Monday.
As I write this, on back-to-back plays, NO commits a face mask penalty and then a 30+ yard DPI.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:14pm
I might have put the hex on them this morning by saying that they were going 18-1.
Of course, I also picked the Lions to win, so perhaps I've just lost my mind.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:13pm
Steelers looking pathetic so far against the mighty Raiders...
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:14pm
They just showed the Brady-Moss TD pass from the NE-MIA game. There was a lot of misdirection in the Patriots backfield before Brady launched the bomb to Moss.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:15pm
WSH have 1st and goal at the 6 after a Cartwright run where it looked like Cartwright was running on an empty four-lane freeway.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:18pm
And, immediately, WSH returns to form. On 1st down, a run around right end that lost a yard. On second down, Campbell overthrows by about 5 yards a little flare into the left flat. Then, they have play calling and/or play clock issues and have to call TO. It'll be 3rd and goal after the commercial.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:19pm
Amazingly, WSH score the TD and go up 7-0 on NO. The score was a Campbell-Davis pass.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:16pm
THE DRAGON HAS BEEN UNLEASHED!!!
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:17pm
Did you hear about the big game Vince Young had last week? Apparently these announcers think they're breaking news by mentioning it.
Before somebody asks, I have no idea who they are. I was expecting Simms and it doesn't sound like him, so I think it's some other CBS pair.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:19pm
A play-action screen pass is "trickeration?"
I suppose play-action is technically tricking the defense, but I wouldn't use that word unless it's something unusual.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:21pm
sounds like the CBS crew in the FLA-ALA game yesterday where that counterflow TE drag route was a "trick play"
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:20pm
In an only faintly-related note, the FOX production crew for NO-WAS didn't hear about the big game the Saints had last week; in their division standings for the AFCE, NE's still listed at 7-3.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:25pm
A few weeks ago, someone scored a TD and the on-screen FOX scoreboard awarded 6 points to the other team.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:21pm
It's supposed to be Ian Eagle and Rich Gannon.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:23pm
Oh. I would think I would recognize Rich Gannon's voice.
I may have to switch games now--Rich Gannon is worse than Phil Simms.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:18pm
Can anyone explain why Rex Grossman is throwing passes for Houston?
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:19pm
Because Schaub has a separated left shoulder or a broken left clavicle from the looks of the hit he took.
DRAGON UNLEASHED!
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by Rocco :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:19pm
Thanks. My fantasy team is dead now.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:21pm
Schaub was injured on a sack. Grossman came in and almost immediately re-estalished his old Interceptosaurus Rex nickname. Two straight passes, picked on the second - either a horrible overthrow into the middle of the field or a horrible underthrow on a deep post route. It was such a bad throw, it's hard to be sure which.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:19pm
Looking at the scoreboard, R. Grossman picked off for HOU...looks like Schaub was injured on that first-play-of-the-drive sack and Evil Rex has replaced him?
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:23pm
Pretty much. If Rex continues as he's started, we may be seeing some Orton-against-San-Diego-esque antics.
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by B :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:20pm
That was an impressive series of plays for Miami. First down Henne gets sacked for a 7 yard loss. On second down, they have a pitch play in a single wing, but Henne's pressured before he can pitch the ball, and ends up throwing it backwards another 12 yards. Instead of picking up the ball and trying to run, Williams smartly falls on it, to avoid the play turning from a disaster to a catastrophe. 3rd and 32 is a short pass for minimal gain, obviously not going to risk further disaster.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:22pm
Tennessee drive stalls out at the 3 and Bironas hits a field goal.
Young was limping a bit, but did jog off the field without any time down. It looked like he got hit on the ankle.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:23pm
Steelers offense so far: 2 drives, 6 plays, 3 net yards.
FIRE THIS USELESS COACH AND HIS MINIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
JEEBUS.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:25pm
Wow, my announcer, Sam Rosen, correctly called an end-around.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:26pm
NO go 3 and out on their second drive.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:26pm
In an early highlight from OAK-PIT, after a long completion to Jonny Lee Higgins, Justin Fargas loses 4 yards on a 1st yard carry. Gets upset, spikes the ball, delay of game. 2nd & 19. Go Raidahs!
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:27pm
Commitment to excellence, baby!
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:29pm
Brian Dawkins just got trucked by Pope.
LMAO
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:31pm
Clinton Ganther just ran down the Beltway for a 14-yard gain. NO have yet to show up for this game.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:31pm
Mendenhall busts one, but can't take it to the house....
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by CathyW :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:31pm
Macho Harris needs to go. Ay carumba!
On a side note, can anyone watching the Pats game say why Brady went to the locker room?
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by JimH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:38pm
Apparently he had a finger injury coming into the game and the announcers are assuming that was the issue. He ran off the field easily and did not seem in pain. He has since come in and led a second touchdown drive.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:33pm
Nate Washington had his man beat deep and Vince Young hit him perfectly, and he just dropped it. Should have been a touchdown.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:33pm
So far, the WSH game plan consists of runs and 8-yard passes. Yet, NO can stop none of it. It seems like the WSH receivers are getting 5-10 YAC every pass.
WSH back in the red zone.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:36pm
I should have mentioned that the only stops NO are getting is when Campbell over throws his receiver by 5 yards, which happens with disturbing regularity. Two such passes stall the WSH drive in the red zone and they settle for the FG. 10-0 WSH late in the 1st quarter.
To be a little fair to NO, they are occasionally getting decent pressure on Campbell which accounts for some of the bad throws.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:49pm
Redskin fans vividly remember Gregg Williams' addiction to non-sensical blitzes. NO has 3 cornerbacks inactive due to injury today. In Greggland, that means corner blitz after corner blitz. The Skins have done a good job overall using tight formations and short drops to get guys open quickly, but any time Campbell needs to make more than two reads or has to wait on a slow-developing fake, they're going to be in trouble. They just don't have the bodies up front.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:35pm
Steelers, 4th and 1 foot at the Raiders 4, go qb sneak (uhh, isn't he coming OFF A CONCUSSION ?!?!?!) , and don't get it.
LMAO
CLUELESS OMAR STRIKES AGAIN !!!!
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by CathyW :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:38pm
Awesome pass - McNabb to LEONARD WEAVER - 59 yards! Wow!
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:41pm
Leonard Weaver courtesy of Tim Ruskell and the Seattle Seahawks. No, I'm not bitter.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:50pm
I know...sorry. On the plus side, apparently Holmgren wants to come back to the Seahawks as GM or President.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:07pm
No need to apologize, CathyW.
I'm not entirely sure having Holmgren come back as the GM would be a good thing. I can only point to his performance when he held both the GM and HC responsibilities early in his Seahawks' tenure when he did neither well. I acknowledge that it's entirely possible he would be an excellent GM if that were all he was doing. Maybe I'm just feeling the end-of-season malaise of a fan stuck with a bad team.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:39pm
They just showed Jim Zorn walking down the sideline and talking on the headset. Yet, the image I had was of a mentally disturbed person walking aimlessly and talking to himself. The saddest part of all that is that I *like* Jim Zorn.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:41pm
Manning is throwing deep to Garcon seemingly every play. He has three completions in six attempts for 99 yards--all the completions to Garcon.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:44pm
I don't get the game today, but I'm happy to see that my Broncos go through the first quarter in the lead. I do not expect victory in December at Arrowhead, ever.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:45pm
NO have a little drive going.
We may be getting a test of the new concussion rules here. Deverey Henderson just suffered a helmet-to-helmet collision on a play which gained a 1st down for the Saints.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:47pm
It took 15:40 for Manning to complete a pass to someone other than Pierre Garcon, and it's Dallas Clark.
I decided at the last minute to start Austin Collie on a fantasy team, so Manning now has no interest in throwing to him.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:49pm
Addai is running very hard so far. He just almost scored on a short pass when he got hit about 4 yards out.
And then took it in through the middle on the next play.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:50pm
Ah, it's a bit chilly in DC today. It's 39 degrees with a 10 mph wind blowing. That could be affecting NO a little.
As I write this, Shockey gets called for OPI on a play where he was wide open and made the catch. FOX never showed a replay that actually showed Shockey committing the OPI.
The announcers have commented on WSH Landry making a lot of high hits this game. Does Landry have a reputation as a head hunter?
Two plays after the OPI, the Saints come back to Shockey to get a 1st down in the red zone.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:54pm
The comment was regarding high hits in general (Darren Sharper just about took Devin Thomas's head off in the first quarter). Landry has a rep for trying to play like Sean Taylor--going for the big hit at any level rather than wrap up. The difference? Taylor played at 230; Landry's 200.
The Skins defense is playing well with a lot of great individual efforts so far, but at some point, the Saints are going to notice that the nickelback is Byron Westbrook, and at that point, it's over.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:58pm
Thanks for the clarification, perly. I was trying to type while listening, which is never a good mix for me since I'm not particularly good at either skill. I offer that as an explanation, not an excuse, of my sloppy description.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:55pm
I meant to write that I think it was Landry who had the helmet-to-helmet on Henderson.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:00pm
Yeah. It was. Looked like bad luck more than anything else, as Henderson was falling backward into Landry; what should have hit him in the numbers hit him in the back of the helmet. FWIW, Henderson's back in the game.
RE: Landry, he's a bad tackler, weak in coverage, and takes poor angles. But I don't think he's much of a headhunter.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:09pm
Thanks again, perly. I didn't think Landry had that reputation but I don't see many Redskins games. I agree his helmet-to-helmet on Henderson didn't look intentional.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:50pm
*blink*
Biz Markie has a commercial?
Biz Markie?!
Hasn't it been about 22 years since his one hit?
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:53pm
Looked it up--19 years.
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by CathyW :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:52pm
McNabb runs for 1st down - I always, always hold my breath when he takes off. Then he slides ON HIS KNEES. Jeebus.
Wow, nice run by Leonard Weaver there - gain of 17 yards!
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Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:52pm
The Saints drive stalls and they have to settle for the FG. 10-3 WSH early in the second quarter.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:57pm
Young completes a nice 25-yard pass to Britt. Then he completes a short pass to Hall, who promptly fumbles it away.
Is the rest of the Tennessee offense conspiring to make up for Vince?
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:57pm
Redskins try and run to covert 3rd & 2. Result? no gain. The problem? The back in the formation, Marcus Mason, is a disaster in pass protection. They run every single time he's in the backfield. Tendencies.
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by Jeff M. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:58pm
For whatever reason, the feed that both ESPN NFL GameCast and Yahoo StatTracker operate off of keeps crediting each Eagles completion to Kevin Curtis, and then going back and retroactively giving them to McNabb. As a McNabb owner in fantasy, this is making my Sunday a lot more stressful.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:00pm
Sorry Jeff M., but LMAO.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 2:59pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! "This is Our Country" is back.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:00pm
It went away?
Biz Markie is also back, which is far more confusing.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:11pm
Well, I think that's the first time I've heard it this season. But, I tend to either change the channel or mute the sound during the commercials, so I admit I could have missed the commercial playing this year.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:02pm
Great. That's Jacksonville-Houston all-but-over, not even half time yet, and I guarantee SkySports will make me watch the rest of it.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:04pm
The broncos just ran the ball 7 times, threw it once, averaged 7 yards a pop and go ahead 14-3. The ran it over left tackle 6 times.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:05pm
Nate Washington looks okay, but he was down on the field for a pretty long time.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:07pm
Elvis Dumervil with his 15th sack of the year. KC total: 14. It was also Dumervilles 12 coverage-sack of the year...
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:12pm
I don't think a person can watch the Redskins without coming to the conclusion that if their defense has ever seen a double-move before, they certainly didn't see it again in film review. Colston slant-and-go over Laron Landry, Saints tie it at 10.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:12pm
Yeah, Landry bit badly on that play.
And, it's 10-10 now.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:11pm
Vince Young makes an awful throw that gets picked off. And now he's down on the sideline. Apparently there's no video showing him getting hurt at all. But Collins is warming up.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:13pm
So much for the Titans slim playoff hopes.
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by Still Alive (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:59pm
They didn't have any playoff hopes. The 6 seed in AFC will be 10-6 with good tiebreakers. TEN has horrible tiebreakers.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:13pm
He actually came off the field, sat down on the bench, and then suddenly doubled over. Bizarre-looking.
Now he's up and walking back and forth on the sideline, but that just looked weird.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:23pm
Now he's back on the field and looks fine.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:15pm
Wow, Campbell to Moss for about 40 yards to the NO 17-yard line. A very pretty pass.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:19pm
Nice pass, but I don't really get Moss's decision after the catch. He tried to stop and let Jenkins overrun him to cut back inside. Minor gripes. Campbell's playing for his next contract, and making a pretty good case.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:16pm
We have yet to see Reggie Wayne today, but Pierre Garcon is apparently the new Jerry Rice. 4 catches for 108 yards and it's still not halftime.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:19pm
Manning to Wayne. Obviously, I am actually in control of Peyton Manning's targets.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:20pm
Touchdown to Austin Collie.
21-3 Indy.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:23pm
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:17pm
Santana Moss just made a sick cut on McKenzie (off a little smoke route), who lost his footing on the wet DC field. WSH have 1st and goal at the 5.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:20pm
Campbell to Thomas on a screen pass to the right side. Thomas beats the NO defense to the pylon for the TD. 17-10 WSH with 2:17 to go in the 1st half.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:20pm
TERRRRRRIBLE pick by BigBen.
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by Rocco :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:23pm
It's amusing to hear Dierdorf talk about all the times James Harrison gets held without it being called. Glad to know Steelers fans aren't alone.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:26pm
Young runs for a first down, but then he appears to be limping on the way back. He does seem to have some problem with his right knee.
He then completes a long pass to Hawkins
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:27pm
WSH hold NO. Orakpo gets off his block and tackles Bush in space to force the 4th down.
But, then WSH suffer incredibly bad luck when the horrid NO punt hits one of the gunners and NO recovers.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:28pm
Back to back stupid defensive penalties on Eagles. Grrrr - this is when it seems they are doing their best to throw games away that they should win easily.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:30pm
The Titans manage to get into the endzone at the end of the first half on a pass to Kenny Britt. 21-10.
The trainers are spending a lot of time talking to Vince Young, it seems. (And it seems that they should be.)
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:32pm
In one of the weirdest blitzes I've ever seen, the Skins bunch their entire defensive line over RG and RT, with safety Reed Doughty at RDE. Brees is pushed over out of his dropback and rolls backward for an 11-yard loss. 3rd & 26, Saints.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:33pm
you have got to be kidding, redskins.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:33pm
And then, the Saints throw the ball, Kareem Moore intercepts, gets stripped by Robert Meacham, TD Saints. 17-17. FML.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:35pm
Tony Brown (Ten) loses his helmet, gets up, yells at a Colts lineman, sticks his fingers in the guy's facemask, and screams his head off until the officials call a 15-yard penalty that gets the Colts into field goal range. He then continues to throw a fit on the next play as the Colts run for a short gain.
Stover is good from 43 to make it 24-10 at halftime--Brown still throwing a fit as he leaves the field.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:39pm
Garcon at halftime: 5 catches, 126 yards. I believe he has 7 targets and 4 first downs.
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by narticus :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:47pm
I don't care what his stats might be, but I hate Tony Brown. He's the kind of player that will excessively celebrate every time he makes a tackle, even in the 59-0 loss at Foxboro. He just gave the Colts three points because he's such a ****.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:35pm
I don't believe what I just saw. On a second down play, the 'Skins run a delayed blitz and mega-sack Brees. On 3rd and 26, Brees is pressured, goes backwards, and throws a prayer off his back foot. WSH #41 Moore intercepts. NO Meechum strips Moore and runs it in for an apparent TD.
The play is under review. First, the interception may not have occurred. Two, Moore may have been DPC. I don't know if there's enough evidence to over turn.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:40pm
The ruling stands. Incredible. I can't overstate what a great play Meachum made to strip Moore. He took on Moore one-on-one, stood him up, stripped him of the ball as he knocked him to the ground, and then ran uncontested for the TD. This is one of the best plays of the season.
With :22 to go in the 1st half, it's 17-17.
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by B :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:37pm
Are the Saints the world's luckiest team or what? On 3rd and 26, Brees is intercepted, but the intercepting player is stripped by Meechem, and he runs the fumble in for a TD. Review on the interception though, looks like he was downed right after the catch.
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by Benjamin Light (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:39pm
that saints play was crazy in three acts.
Good call by the refs, no indisputable visual evidence to overturn it.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:40pm
Let's not forget that the Saints only had the ball because, after being stopped on 3rd & 1, their punter shanks the kick into the back of one of the Skins coverage team on the outside.
Honestly, this late in the season, I don't care if the Skins win or not. That blitz was moral victory enough.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:46pm
Too true. I don't know today if the Saints are the luckiest team in the NFL or if the Redskins are the unluckiest team in the NFL.
I think the Redskins have brought their "A-game" today, such as it is. The Saints seem to be hung over from last week's Patriots beat down, so the Redskins "A-game" is good enough to beat the Saints if the second half continues like the first half. It will be interesting to see if the Saints sober up for the second half.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:02pm
This has been a bad season for 'Skins fans, but that might have been the most soul-crushing two minutes of gameplay I've sat through. Stopping the Saints on two possessions, including one starting in WAS territory, only to give up such a ridiculous score ... ugh.
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by B :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:46pm
1st and 20 on their 10 yard line, Brady under pressure, he throws what looked like a pick, but Aiken comes down with the ball somehow, and runs it in for a TD.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:48pm
DeerDork hypes up James Harrison, then he whiffs on a huge sack.
dammit.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:50pm
now that's the Rayda's we know and love...
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:50pm
if Harrison hadn't blown that up, it would have worked, there was a receiver running WIDE open down the left hashes....
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by Kovner :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:50pm
What I thought happened and the commentators didn't mention was that as Landry was still touching Shockey, he was bobbling the ball, with it bouncing off his left arm. By the time he had control of the ball, he was no longer touching Shockey.
Ridiculous: Best scoring Offense, Best scoring Defense, and now, when the Offense has to play Defense it scores.
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by CathyW :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 3:57pm
TD Michael Vick! Getting big cheers from the Atlanta crowd.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:00pm
Reggie Wayne so far: 1 catch, 5 yards. By my count, 2 targets.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:00pm
Campbell-Thomas for 29 yards. Campbell threw a perfect pass to the outside shoulder of Thomas that only Thomas could catch. WSH threatening.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:02pm
Cartwright with another run down the Beltway to get the 'Skins into the red zone.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:03pm
WSH drive stalls and they settle for the FG. 20-17 'Skins early in the 3rd quarter.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:05pm
Another weird play. Stephon Heyer is a huge liability in run blocking (when people say he's a "natural LT", it's because he's marginally less bad in pass pass protection). Charles Grant is, AFAIK, pretty solid at the point of attack at LE. If you're Gregg Williams, what do you do?
Stunt Grant inside, letting Heyer get upfield and block linebackers? Brilliant!
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:08pm
More bad luck for the 'Skins. The KO following the FG is a worm burner. One of the up-backs for NO tries to field the kick, but it goes threw his legs. Roby picks up the ball and runs it back to near midfield. As he's tackled, Roby fumbles, but the ball almost immediately goes out-of-bounds. There were a few 'Skins players nearby.
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by Dan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:09pm
Chi-Stl announcers are praising the Bears for running more than they've passed. No mention of the fact that they're playing the Rams, or that they have 3 yards per carry.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:09pm
The entire Colts defensive line got after Vince Young on that play, but he was able to get away and throw the ball away.
Also, Chris Johnson is not running like the boom-and-bust type he normally is. He's got 19 carries for 77 yards and his long is 11. The Colts defense has done a great job and been all over him at or behind the line, but he's been able to turn it into positive yardage regularly.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:12pm
The WSH run defense answers the bell again on 3rd and short and stops NO about half yard short of the 1st down. It'll be 4th and inches at the WSH 43. The Saints are going for it.
WSH stuffs Bell in the back field for a loss. 1st and 10 WSH at their 44. Haynesworth was instrumental on both run stuffs.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:14pm
Haynesworth just decided that he is going to beat the five Saints across from. He single-handedly stuffs the Saints twice!
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:15pm
NO blows a coverage and Campbell hits Thomas down the sideline for 40 yards. If Campbell had hit Thomas in stride it would have been a TD. Instead, it was under thrown. WSH in the red zone again.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:17pm
Campbell to Thomas for the TD. It was a simple 3-yard check down on 3rd and 7. Thomas breaks a tackle or two and then tip-toes down the left side line for the TD. 27-17 'Skins.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:19pm
After looking at the replay, the play may have been designed for the shallow cross that Thomas ran as opposed to Campbell checking down after making a read.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:17pm
The Devin Thomas show! Skins up by 10!
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by just another dumb homer (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:20pm
Aiken PI call was some grade-A bullshit.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:20pm
Tennessee can't score on 4th and goal at the two. Indy gets the ball back up 24-10. Now can we see the Austin Collie show?
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:24pm
Doughty with a great open field tackle.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:25pm
Tardlin sends out Jeff Reed to try a 53-54 yard FG in the open end of Heinz Field.
What a total moron.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:26pm
NO has rediscovered its TEs. Two passes to Shockey (against Landry) and then a pass to #86 (I think) against a line backer gets the Saints drive started. Then, a nice pass to Henderson gets the Saints into the red zone.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:27pm
They just showed a replay of the Henderson catch, which apparently really wasn't. But, neither the officials nor the Redskins side line noticed (no challenge), so the play counts.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:31pm
The drive stalls, so NO settles for the FG to make the score 27-20 WSH late in the third quarter.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:27pm
Raydas driving down the field, about to go up 13-10 on the Steelers with 10 minutes to go
another blown 4th Q lead by captain Tardlin against a truly high quality opponent.
DISGRACEFUL.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:28pm
The Colts start at their own two. First, Addai carries and gets taken down behind the line. He did legitimately avoid the safety, but I think putting the ball right at the one yard line was a favorable spot by the officials. Then an incompletion to Garcon. Then they try another pass and Tennessee gets all over the backfield at the back of the endzone. But Manning gets away to complete a 9-yard pass to Reggie Wayne.
Reggie Wayne to this point: 2 for 15. No first downs.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:30pm
Raydas go up 13-10 on the Steelers, 8:20 to play.
I'd LOL if it weren't so tragic... the defending SB champs losing to
CHI
KC
OAK
CINx2
DISGRACEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE RESIGN, OMAR!
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:33pm
I'm loving this... The Broncos blowing out a rival, AND the Steelers are losing too.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:35pm
Mike Wallace throws an EPIC block on a holmes completion
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:37pm
Beautiful pass from Campbell to Randle El to get the 'Skins back into the red zone. I think the pass might have been over 50 yards, but these announcers don't believe in sharing that information. It looks like NO blew another coverage as Randle El was running wide open.
But, the 'Skins bad luck continues. Randle El was injured on the tackle. I thought he had seriously injured his shoulder, but coming back from commercial it looks like Randle El is ready to come back in the game.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:39pm
The 'Skins can't capitalize on the beautiful pass and settle for the FG. It's 30-20 WSH early in the 4th quarter.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:46pm
It was blown coverage in the sense that Jenkins isn't that good (and may never be that good in an Antrel Rolle sense). Looked like man under coverage, and Jenkins turned outside anticipating the wrong route. Randle El cuts inside, and Jenkins isn't quick enough to get back into position. Nice route; don't know whether it was a planned call or a sight adjustment.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:38pm
Houston with The Absolute Dumbest HB Pass... Ever!
I have never seen a worse executed HB Pass. There was NOBODY anywhere NEAR the pass.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:47pm
Then on the next drive, a perfectly executed play action pass at the goal line gets the touchdown to Johnson.
And THEN they run an a much less well executed play action pass from the 2yd line, and the 2pt conversion fails.
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by seastreet (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 8:18am
I know it's a bit late, but: Don't get Houston's playcalling. AT. ALL. I was watching on Sky, too, and I'm not sure if I buy Nick Halling's explanation that he's too conservative until suddenly he isn't. They seem to have been expecting something completely different from the Jacksonville D that actually showed up. Not necessarily better or worse, but very different.
[Also, I love Nick Halling for pointing out in a way that American announcers never can that "Chicago's win is great news for Chicago fans, and it makes absolutely no difference to anyone else."]
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:40pm
Steelers stop a kickoff return at the 15.
Lookout, we've entered bizarro world.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:40pm
Tennessee's Michael Griffin is leaving the field accompanied by trainers. On the field, it really doesn't look like much--Gannon suggests it looks like a stinger, but I don't believe in trusting anything Rich Gannon ever says.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:42pm
WSH goes for a pooch kick, which fools the Saints. NO manages to cover the kick at their 21-yard line.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:42pm
OMAR TARDLIN watches as Gradkowski scorches Ike Taylor via Louis Murphy for a 75 yard TD .
LMAO.
"wut"
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:45pm
Um, Chris Brown now has six pass attempts for Houston.
What the hell?
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:48pm
no other options?
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:50pm
Well, Schaub came back into the game and I can't find anything saying why he's not in now. Even if he's back out, they're THAT unimpressed with Grossman that they're going to Chris Brown?
Statistically, he is easily outplaying Grossman, so maybe they're right.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:49pm
Chris Brown is now officially the best quarterback the University of Colorado has ever produced.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:53pm
Apparently this was just a weird mistake on Sportsline. All but one of the attempts (an interception) just got moved to Schaub, and that's what NFL.com shows.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:48pm
I'd have to say the biggest surprise in this game is how completely the 'Skins d-line has dominated the Saints o-line in the running game. It's early in the 4th quarter and the Saints have less than 40 yards rushing, I think.
Of course, as I write this, it looks like the Saints have decided to abandon the running game and their passing game looks to be heating up.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:50pm
'Skins blitz on 3rd and 11. Brees escapes Orakpo and completes a 28-yard pass to shoeless Robert Meachem to get the Saints in the red zone.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:56pm
WSH make another great red zone stand and hold NO to the FG. It's 30-23 WSH about half way through the 4th quarter.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:58pm
Actually, 6:52 to go in the game.
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by perly :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:51pm
And with Golston hurt, the Skins are down to Haynesworth and a couple of oversized LDEs (Daniels and Alexander) at DT. The Saints' running game is poised to improve.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:55pm
Looks like Golston might be okay.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:59pm
William Gay takes a frinedly EarHole from Mundy and is down.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:00pm
Thomas starts a return left, runs up the back of his blocker, and then cuts it back to the right and gets out to the WSH 41-yard line.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:02pm
WSH driving and are now in the red zone after a NO face mask penalty.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:05pm
WSH sustaining a nice drive. They've taken nearly 4 minutes off the clock and have 1st and goal.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:11pm
WSH forces NO to use all of its TOs. WSH ran three times for little or no gain from the 5-yard line to get the clock to the 2-minute warning (actual is 1:56). I might have gone play action on the third down since an incompletion would not have mattered because of the two minute warning.
Unbelievable, Suishem (sp?) misses wide right. It's still 30-23 WSH with 1:52 to go.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:03pm
Steelers are about to lose this.
FML
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:05pm
1st and 10 from the 11. raiders 1 TO, 0:22 to play, Steelers ahead
FML
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:06pm
Steelers Lose
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by Balaji (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:07pm
Goddamnit Ryan Mundy. This was a horrible game and it was still winnable until you gave it away. Great showing by the D also.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:08pm
I HATE YOU OMAR!
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by just another dumb homer (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:09pm
Refs miss defensive holding by Miami, and Brady chucks an INT on the next play FTL.
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by just another dumb homer (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:12pm
(also, no idea why Brady wasn't called in the grasp.)
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:10pm
wow. missed FG. 2 minutes, drew.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:11pm
Wow. Suisham missed an absolute chip shot. Jim Zorn looks like someone just took a meat grinder to his . . . well, he looks pained.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:13pm
Not to make light of the fact that he's down right now, but does Haynesworth ever play 2 games in a row without leaving with an injury?
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:14pm
Albert Haynesworth down with a leg injury on the Saints first play after the missed FG. There was nothing on the replay to suggest how he got injured. He was matched up one-on-one with one of the Saints o-line and nothing remotely questionable happened.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:15pm
Haynesworth walked off the field under his own power, but he was limping slightly.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:17pm
He's back in. Just in Time for Brees to throw a TD.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:16pm
Touchdown to Meachem and the Saints still have life.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:17pm
I feel bad for the skins... And Zorn... So, so unlucky - the Saints have no business being in this one...
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:18pm
On the play where Haynesworth comes back in, Brees hits Robert Meachem on a 53-yard TD strike. Landry bites on another double move to get burned again. 30-30 with 1:19 to go. WSH has 2 TOs.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:19pm
Winning at Arrowhead in December makes this my favorite Broncos team since at least 2000.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:22pm
In slim competition, I might add.
And a little help from the Raiders is icing on the cake. Go Browns!
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:20pm
Campbell a little gimpy now. Hoo boy. Talk about being snake bit. Will Smith falls on Campbell's ankle,
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:22pm
After a 'Skins penalty, on the next play NO commits another face mask. Then, on the play following that, Campbell makes his first bad throw of the game and is picked off by Vilma. 1st and 10 Saints from their 46 with :28 to go and no TOs. Bush holds on the 1st down play.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:24pm
Where are all the usuals who flame me as being ridiculous for saying Omar isn't a great coach? Surely a 2009 season where you lose to OAK,KC,CHI, etc is the mark of a great coach, right?
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:30pm
Yeah firing a coach who wins the Super Bowl 67% of his seasons in charge, will make a lot of sense.
"What have you done for me lately?" seems to be the appropriate phrase...
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:32pm
You're giving him this year's Super Bowl?
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:37pm
Sorry to say, but FireOmarTomlin:Tomlin::Chris:Jason Campbell.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:45pm
<<<
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:30pm
Yeah firing a coach who wins the Super Bowl 67% of his seasons in charge, will make a lot of sense.
"What have you done for me lately?" seems to be the appropriate phrase...
>>>>
when one has won 1 SB, how can one have a 66% success rate given integer-based seasons as a metric ?
if you want to insult me, at least show you can count and do 4th grade math.
This post won't make sense , given you will go edit your terrible mistake.
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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:46pm
66.67 (implied)
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:49pm
If you're insulted by that comment, you might want to look out for the rest of the internet. It's a big, bad, abusive world out there.
One guy disagreeing with you is the least of your worries.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:55pm
Ha, okay. I assigned the seahawks SB to Tomlin, by mistake.
Still, bitching about your coach a year removed from a SB win, seems pretty spoiled...
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:56pm
Most of us are ignoring you in the hope that you will leave.
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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:13pm
maybe you should face ftacts and relaize Raiders are better team than Steelers. Raiders prove it on field. Game not played on itnerent messgae board
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by John (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:16pm
You're the guy who goes around to all of his co-workers complaining about his boss. Yeah, we get it already. Congrats, your life sucks, now shut up and find a different way to deal with the situation.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:26pm
Gah! This San Diego offense is so frustrating to root against. Tomlinson for 1 on first down. Tomlinson for no gain on second down. 16 yard pass to Gates on third down. Repeat.
And the announcers hailing the "balance" of SD.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:26pm
Regardless of how this game comes out, if you didn't see it and you get the NFL Network, you should seriously consider watching it on NFL Replay later in the week. It has been a very entertaining game.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:27pm
58 yarder coming up...
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:28pm
Apparently they've changed their mind and Brees gets one more play. Incomplete.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:30pm
Saints line up for a 58-yard FG attempt to take the lead. WSH calls TO. The Saints offense comes back on the field. The short pass attempt is deflected and falls incomplete. The Saints FG unit comes back on the field with :03. The attempt is short, WSH has a man back who runs out of the end zone, but doesn't get far. OT upcoming.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:30pm
And we have overtime.
Hartley's FG try wasn't even close--I'm not sure they should have even tried it if he couldn't come any closer than that.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:31pm
WSH wins the toss and will take the ball.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:36pm
How about those Oakland Raiders? They're 2-0 against PA.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:38pm
I think the DBC call will be upheld.
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:41pm
WSH totally screwed on that call IMHO. Wow.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:41pm
After seemingly an hour under the hood, the call is overturned and New Orleans has the ball at the Washington 37.
The officials are just trying to make us both look bad.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:38pm
I'm guessing that this review upholds the call on the field.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:41pm
wow. I thought there was no way that call was going to be overturned.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:42pm
Do the referees even know the rule for reviews?
Never, EVER try to guess what a NFL official is going to call.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:45pm
I'd be interested to see the single game DVOA for this one. Washington seemed to be way the best team. But holy conoly they've been unlucky...
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:53pm
New Orleans finally wins. Kudos to Payton for letting his offense move into close range instead of, like most coaches, assuming that anything under 50 yards should be automatic for his kicker.
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by Joseph :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:01pm
I thought he might let Brees try a sneak--I mean, it's SECOND down, not third; you would still have an extra down for a bad hold/snap. Not to mention, it's the six-inch line--if you don't get it, the FG is still the same. With Hartley, a 2nd year kicker, I was still slightly nervous--I mean, Suisham (sp?) missed a chippy that should have won the game right after the 2 minute warning.
Don't get me wrong--it's a lucky win, but it is a WIN that keeps the Saints PERFECT!!!!!!! GEAUX Saints!!!!
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:55pm
WSH goes for the TO right before the snap ploy, which I hate. It doesn't matter. Saints kick the FG and win.
Earlier in the thread, dmb called the end of the first half the most soul-crushing two minutes of WSH football he's seen this year. I can't help but feeling the end of the game was even more soul-crushing to 'Skins fans.
Kudos to the Saints for playing all 60+ minutes. They weren't on their "A-game" today, but they found away to win on the road against a plucky 'Skins team. I would like to see the Saints go 19-0 for a variety of reasons and that's still a possibility.
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by dmb :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:59pm
I don't know which end-of-the-half turn of the events was worse. All I know is that it felt like the Redskins were in control for 56 minutes of regulation -- everything before the 2-minute warning in both halves -- and then things just went out of control.
I guess it's consolation that this game didn't really have any significance for playoff chances. I can only imagine how frustrating this would be if it had actually meant something.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:58pm
Brady Quinn is moving the ball on the Chargers. Scrambling around, completing passes to players I havent even heard of... Weird, very weird.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:02pm
Does he have any players to throw to of whom you have heard? I seriously think the only pass-catcher they have who I could name is Massaquoi, and that's because I thought he was going to be the star of my second-half Loser League team.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:02pm
completing passes to players I havent even heard of...
Isn't that a given, since it's the Browns?
Well, except for the completing passes part.
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by Sifter :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:02pm
Poor Washington and now I officially dislike the Saints. I hate teams getting lucky, especially undefeated teams. See the Patriots 2007 v Ravens. Man that game cheesed me off...
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:05pm
Graphic in the SD game: It's been 17 weeks since the Browns have had a rushing TD.
Quinn strip-sacked on third and goal. SD ball on about the 15.
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by tuluse :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 6:24am
That's wrong. Quinn had a rushing TD against the Lions I believe.
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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:10pm
told all Raiders would win. 4-8 baby. .500 record is sight. Moving on up now. sitll can finish ahead of bioncos and mathrahmetically alive . Sierra bevada oging down nicre this evening
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:21pm
I'm concerned now. For the first time I ever remember seeing, Raiderjoe got Sierra Nevada wrong (Sierra bevada).
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by Scott C :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 3:36am
It was a typo, not a wrongly spelled word. b and n are next to each other on the keyboard. raiderjoe misspells much less often than hits the key next to the letter intended (or in addition to).
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 9:33am
And what I said was that he "got Sierra Nevada wrong," not that he misspelled it.
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by The Hypno-Toad :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 1:34am
I'm probably over-responding to a post which is more about Sierra Nevada than anything else, but to be clear, the Raiders can't finish ahead of the Broncos at this point. Even if the Broncos lose their last four and the Raiders win their last four, the Broncos have the division record tiebreaker locked up over the Raiders. But yes, the Raiders are mathmatically alive for the 6th seed.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:39pm
Why oh why do we get Giants - Cowboys in the UK? I know, I know, it's clearly the best of the 4.15 kickoffs, but I can't actually decide which one I'd rather see lose.
Am I okay to root for a 45-45 tie where both quarterbacks "choke" repeatedly in an overtime interception-fest?
Both then going on 4 game December losing streaks to close out the season would be delicious.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:46pm
Wow--serious NFC East hatred there.
Of course, given my hatred of certain NFC North quarterbacks, I sympathize.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:18pm
It's not the NFC East as a whole, just those two organisations. I've just spent almost four hours rooting for the Redskins (not coincidentally, my wife's a Saints fan) and I quite like the Eagles for a delightful mixture of sado-masochism and comic relief.
Giants and Cowboys however... I tend to wish as much ill on those two organisations as I can without becoming morally reprehensible (I draw the line at wishing injuries on people; that's not big or clever no matter how much you dislike somebody).
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by jayinalaska :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:46pm
Because the Vikings are playing one of the prime time games?
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 6:53pm
I have to say that I agree with Troy Aikman that I do not understand what was going on with the "fight" (it was sort of a baseball-style fight) at the end of the half and Giants declining a penalty.
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:00pm
san fran is aware that frank gore plays for them, right?
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by Dales :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:09pm
Feagles has been awesome for a long time.
But I really hope the Giants replace both of their footmen next year.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:42pm
Any chance you'd take Chris Hanson in a trade? Please?
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by Shane S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:19pm
nice playcall by dallas for the touchdown pass. This game looks like what I would expect out of these two teams-pretty close, no love lost between the teams.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:27pm
Brandon Jacobs running an actual pass pattern (not a dumpoff) gets the pass and takes it all the way up the left sideline for a 74 yard score. Play's under review as he might have stepped out - I dare not guess what the referees will decide in replay.
PS. Looks like Anthony Spencer can't cover. Who knew?
PPS. Play upheld on review.
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by Theo :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:31pm
Great play. 'Bruising' back who brings it to the house.
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by Thok :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 7:47pm
The Niners were driving with passing and a reverse.
They promptly do a traditional run up the middle with Gore who fumbles the ball back to Seattle. Which proves the 49ers shouldn't do traditional runs.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 8:04pm
Nice. The Giants literally just argued the referees into throwing a flag for intentional grounding against Romo. It's pretty clear who he was aiming for, though he didn't get close to a completion. They weren't going to call it, Giants argued, flag eventually thrown.
Two plays later, Giants punt return touchdown from Hixon, Giants up by 14. I think I'm persuaded: the Giants are even worse than the Cowboys at this point - and I don't mean in football ability terms.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 8:07pm
Oh, and awful, AWFUL coverage by Dallas on the punt. They had four guys in position to make the tackle, all unblocked, and every single one either whiffed, didn't wrap up, or overpursued. Horrific.
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by JasonK :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 8:19pm
If BlueDude from Avatar manages to kill the FOX Robot, I might actually have to go see that movie.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 8:28pm
Hawks win a yawner of a second half, Giants seal the win by recovering a bizarre onside kick. How spectacularly exciting...
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 8:31pm
I was oddly uninterested in that Dallas-New York game that seems like it should have been exciting.
However, I do think that the Cowboys' loss sealed my fate for picking games this week.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:17am
It should have been, but it just... wasn't. I can't really explain it either. I was so disinterested I went looking for a way to watch Seahawks - 49ers. I didn't even realise what I was doing until both games were over and I realised I could remember about two plays from each - and one of each was a punt return.
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by batbatt :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 9:45pm
so could the game have started out any worse for the cardinals?
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by Ben :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 11:37pm
Wow, is no one watching the game?
Anyway, so much for all the hype about the Viking's QBs TD-Int ratio...
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 11:43pm
I just peeked at it for the first time. I'm afraid that I'm good luck for him, so I'm not watching.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 11:58pm
A completion to LaRod Stephens-Howling--the best name in the NFL, bar-none. I hope he becomes some sort of brilliant player so I can type his name regularly.
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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 2:48am
well had brillant gmame vs Titas when return kickoff for td and downed two pints close to end zonre. other greta names you maybe want to mark down to make note of
Chad Ocochinco (crap name in my opinison but others semem to like it0
Nnamdi Asomugha
JOhnnie Lee Higgins
Sebastian Janikowski
JaMarcus Russell
Stanford Routt
Chaz Schilens
A.J. Hawk (name always make think of Flash Gordon movie. Wrote about it other times but wanto to mentoin it again becuuase younger posters maybe not familiar with it and should wantch it. In movie Flash Gordon arriive on other planet to save earth or something. Was long time agao when see so forgot main points and stuuf..But Flasj Godorn was Jets quarterback and uses football moves to fight alien beings in beginning part of movie. Also throws around a football spehere shaped object. If wtahc when young movie can make impresison on you. It make you feel good for the Jets Qb and make you think he really did save earth. When see movie it alsmot make me want to be Jets fan. But then deicide to stay Raiders fan becuauuse Raiders more intereetsed in winnign Super Bowls. Jets more interetsted in making movies about fighting space beasts and being in Sopranso epsiodes and tyring to kiss Suxzy Klober. Jets not a team interetsted in winning as much as some others.
Nail FDoiggs
Stylez G. White
Takeo Spikes
Michael Bumpus (name remind of Bumpus hounds in Christmas Story movie about kid who wantr gun but then shoot himself under eye, At first kid accidnentally agree with Santa Claus that he want football becausue was nerbvous but then realie mistake when slding down slide so he tlel Santa he want gun, but if think about it footbal was better present. Football better to have than gun. Make more fun for you and kids in neighborhood. Look at Plaxico Burris. He chose gun over football and instad of eye he almost shoot balls or leg off and now in jail playing football in showers.
Drew Brees
Danny Woodhead
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 3:06am
First of all, the parallel between Plaxico Burris and A Christmas Story is absolutely inspired.
I agree that Nnamdi Asomugha, A.J. Hawk, and Danny Woodhead are good names, but I'm not a fan of the others you mention. I especially hate Stylez G. White.
LaRod Stephens-Howling, Syndric Steptoe, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and Rashard Mendenhall come to mind as great names.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 3:16am
Kyle Vandenbosch!! Or however it's spelled...
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by Independent George :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:57am
GUY WHIMPER!!!
But then deicide to stay Raiders fan becuauuse Raiders more intereetsed in winnign Super Bowls. Jets more interetsted in making movies about fighting space beasts and being in Sopranso epsiodes and tyring to kiss Suxzy Klober. Jets not a team interetsted in winning as much as some others.
Quote of the year. I demand this goes into PFP 2010, and raiderjoe be paid residuals for it.
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by Dan :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 7:36am
Syndric Steptoe seconded, along with A.J. Hawk & Chaz Schilens.
I'm also a big Al Afalava fan. Reminds me of Bob Loblaw. And I have to put in a good word for Rock Cartwright, Frostee Rucker, and Leodis McKelvin.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:02am
Can anybody say what has led to this meltdown from [Vikings QB]? Has he just been that bad or is it the line or the Cardinals or something else?
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by young curmudgeon (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:03am
Following a Jared Allen sack, Al Michaels said "Sooner or later, 69 is going to get in your face." Taking it out of context, my immediate thought was "I can only hope!"
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by Joseph :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:11am
Shouldn't it be 4 down territory for the Vikes? Cue TMQ "fraidy-cat punt=writing game over in my notebook."
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:14am
Total agreement here.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:13am
Al Michaels does his best to explain that the Cardinals have had a tough time since Bill Bidwill got there but it's not Bidwill's fault--it's just been too tough of a job.
Terry Metcalf is either laughing at home or on his way to strangle Al Michaels.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:16am
E.J. Henderson is down and the cart is out. Childress looks concerned. This looks to be quite a serious injury--good luck to Henderson. Especially after the serious injury last year.
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by andrew :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:18am
Gruesome leg injury to EJ Henderson. I think his leg is broken, the lower part went off in a different direction completely.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:20am
That would have been my guess, too.
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by andrew :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:58am
And its a fractured femur. done for the year, obviously. Have serious doubts about his career.
by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:26am
Stop giving the ball to Peterson! I have a 7-point lead in one league and he has Peterson and Longwell left.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:31am
Childress has complied with my wishes and is now using only Chester Taylor.
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by The Guy You Don't Want to Hear (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:32am
[Vikings QB] just uncorked one hell of a throw over the middle to Harvin for a meaningless TD.
It sounds like Collinsworth is saying that [Vkings QB's] reads have been the issue in this game.
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by andrew :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:40am
The issue is in the line play. Both Cardinals lines dominated the Vikings lines. More than anything else that was the story of the game.
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by Alexander :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:43am
I have been being tortured all day and missed games.
Is Shaub's injury serious?
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by Sid :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 1:05am
Schaub has a dislocated left shoulder.
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by Sid :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 12:47am
the game was clearly over after the long clock-eating drive culminating with a Rackers FG, but Warner and Favre were left in there to take hits. Bizarre.
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by Big Johnson (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 4:13am
last weeks dvoa ratings i commented on cincinatti, san diego and pittsburgh. my prediction was that san diego would win, cincy would win and pittsburgh would lose. and following those three happening, pittsburgh would remain ahead of both those teams. dont fail me now dvoa!!! Keep san diego rated poorly. Only makes each victory that much sweeter
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by Paul R :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 9:55am
Just came in to say that "itnerent" is my new favorite word.
Thanks, Raiderjoe.
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by Sid :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 2:01pm
Now Warner has an injured hip to go along with the aftereffects of a concussion. Nice job, Cardinals!
[quote]The good news for the Arizona Cardinals was that they manhandled the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday night.
The bad news, possibly, is that quarterback Kurt Warner will be dealing with another injury.
Warner told Andrea Kremer after the game that he "banged" his hip on the last throw he made in the 30-17 win. It's the hip other than the hip that was surgically repaired in the offseason.
"I really don't know what it is right now," he said. "It doesn't feel horrible. . . . It might hurt for a couple days."
Warner was seen limping late in the game and after it.[/quote]
Those last throws he made were pointless, too. Arizona kept Warner in and was calling pass plays well after the game was decided. If they wanted to keep passing instead of simply running the ball and grinding the clock, they should have brought in Leinart.
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by batbatt :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 9:39pm
ah. the '83 packers-redskins tilt. awesome game.
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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 10:04pm
Ravens blakc pants with unstriped socks make it look like they are wearing leotartds
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 10:12pm
The classic "we're pretty sure this is the right call" challenge overturn. Nothing indisputable about it.
For what it's worth, I think the eventual decision was correct - but it was definitely not indisputable.
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by Pat F. :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 10:14pm
I thought it was pretty clearly a fumble, actually. And the Foxworth DPI was highly questionable.
Then Rodgers, gracious sportsman that he is, gives the ball right back to the Ravens.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 10:22pm
Which proves my point about it being far from indisputable.
Looks like Flacco and Rodgers are planning to spend the evening exchanging punt-length interceptions.
I'll dispute it. I think at that point the ball is rotating into the picture frame. Looked to me in video replay like it started moving basically as soon as the LB got both hands on it.
Not that it matters at all.
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by Flounder :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:45pm
well, that pic is all I have. I don't have the video. But in the pic it looks to me like the knee is down and the LB has zero hands on the ball.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:46pm
Unfortunately, you can't use a still to prove whether the ball's on its way out when the knee hits. It came out almost the split second the knee touched the ground. Viewed even in slow-motion, it could justifiably have been called either way. That means it should not have been overturned, no matter how much more likely it is that he was down (as I've said, I think he was down and the eventual decision was correct). It's not indisputable.
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by Pat F. :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 10:35pm
Oh I agree. "Pretty clearly" is overstating it a bit, it was more that I'd 'guess' it was actually a fumble based on the replays I saw. No reason to overturn the call on the field, not that that has anything to do with replay calls anymore.
The first quarter was entertaining in a comedy-of-errors type of way. Rodgers has overthrown people a lot today.
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by Pat F. :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 10:42pm
The Packers' front seven forced Flacco to run an Archimedes' spiral in probably the most amusing free play I've seen this year.
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by Pat F. :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 10:47pm
What is it with CBs holding the WRs' hands today? That's what, 4 now?
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 10:51pm
Well we are watching the two most penalised teams in the league. Did the commentators mention that yet? *Cough.*
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by batbatt :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:07pm
Nice drive by green bay, capped with good catch and run by driver.
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by Big-Hairy-Andy :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:14pm
Terrible, terrible tackling in the secondary though. What's up with the number of corners who can't simply tackle a guy when he catches the ball? They seem to have this really dumb habit of diving at the guy instead of just tackling him (see Davone Bess TD yesterday and Driver TD this evening).
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by Q (not verified) :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:21pm
Clay Matthews is looking like a Star and Raiji is playing well, maybe GB finally learned how to draft Defensive players
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by batbatt :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:40pm
What's this? A defensive penalty on a throw? Inconceivable!!
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by batbatt :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:43pm
Yeah, I really like Raji. I wish the packers would have a chance to get that Suh kid, but that's not going to happen.
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by RickD :: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 11:54pm
The inconsistency of pass interference, chapter 345.
Baltimore is flagged for DPI on a late flag flying across from the other side of the field on a play when the ball was five yards overthrown, at at worst minimal contact is made.
Five minutes later, a Raven receiver literally has his left arm held while a pass arrives, and no flag is forthcoming.
I get really sick of this crap. And I'm not a Ravens fan here. The NFL really needs to make an effort to do a better, more consistent job calling pass interference penalties. The Packers have four first downs from PI tonight.
It really ruins a football game like no other referee action when a dubious PI flag is called.
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It doesn't have anything to do with their on the field opponent, but are the vikings trying to set a record for most players to get caught over the century mark on the road?
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I can't believe they didn't already have that record.
They just seem to have had more than their share of, say, questionable behavior by their players off-the-field over the years (e.g., Tommy Kramer, Love Boat). Of course, since I grew up in Colorado, it may be just that I otherwise didn't hear about the Vikings--plus those incidents made it fun to make fun of my dad for being a Viking fan.
Vollmer out again
Pats have released their "out" list:
WR Julian Edelman
FB Fred Taylor
DB Sean Springs
DB Brett Lockett
OT Sebastian Vollmer
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I grew up in the Mountain Time Zone and am now in the Central Time Zone.
Nearly four months here and I'm still always expecting games to start at 11:00 instead of 12:00.
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I moved from east to central and now I get my games an hour early every week. I want to move out west, it must be like a dream world.
Also, apparently, two thirds of the texting public thinks that the Saints have a better offense than the 2007 Pats.
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I loved being in the Mountain Time Zone for football games because halftime was usually 12:15-12:30 area, great for eating lunch.
I remember Bill Simmons saying that it was the best thing about moving to Los Angeles (or one of the best, at least) that football games started so early. No need to stay up late for the night game if you wanted to see it, or you could go out after both of the day games and still have time to do other things.
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I lived in the Pacific time zone from 1975-1987 and it is a dream for NFL viewing. Early games start at 10:00, late games start at 1:00 or 1:15, and the prime time games start between 5:00 and 6:00 which means they all end by 9:30.
The Alaska time zone is an hour behind the Pacific time zone, which isn't a bad thing for Sunday ball. I have to get up at a time that some people might think unreasonable for a Sunday (around 8 AM), but since my days of getting hammered on Saturday night are a long ways behind me, it's not a big deal for me. The draw back to the Alaska time zone is that the Monday and Thursday games all start while I'm at work or on my way home from work so I have to watch them on delay from my DVR. But, I can live with that.
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Manning throws to Austin Collie, it bounces off his hands right to Garcon, who gets about 8 more yards after the catch. Just when you thought the Colts were good enough on their own, they start getting the breaks, too!
Tennessee player (Vincent Fuller) is down.
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In Baltimore, given the choice of Colts-Titans, Patriots-Dolphins, and Texans-Jaguars, we get... Steelers-Raiders. I'm happy to be able to see the Skins game without streaming, but... oi.
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Early, I have Ten@Ind or NO@Was. Late, I have Dal@NYG. I will be watching Ten@Ind.
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So, I've got NO-WSH and NE-MIA for the early games and DAL-NYG for the late game. I'm starting with NO-WSH.
NO can't sustain their opening drive and punt to WSH. Brees was nearly picked on the drive.
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Indy gets a 36-yard pass to Garcon and then Addai runs into the end zone through one of the biggest holes I've ever seen.
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I can't help but think this a bit of a trap game for NO. It can't be easy for NO to get up for an inferior WSH team after the beat down they put on NE last Monday.
As I write this, on back-to-back plays, NO commits a face mask penalty and then a 30+ yard DPI.
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I might have put the hex on them this morning by saying that they were going 18-1.
Of course, I also picked the Lions to win, so perhaps I've just lost my mind.
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Steelers looking pathetic so far against the mighty Raiders...
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They just showed the Brady-Moss TD pass from the NE-MIA game. There was a lot of misdirection in the Patriots backfield before Brady launched the bomb to Moss.
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WSH have 1st and goal at the 6 after a Cartwright run where it looked like Cartwright was running on an empty four-lane freeway.
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And, immediately, WSH returns to form. On 1st down, a run around right end that lost a yard. On second down, Campbell overthrows by about 5 yards a little flare into the left flat. Then, they have play calling and/or play clock issues and have to call TO. It'll be 3rd and goal after the commercial.
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Amazingly, WSH score the TD and go up 7-0 on NO. The score was a Campbell-Davis pass.
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THE DRAGON HAS BEEN UNLEASHED!!!
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Did you hear about the big game Vince Young had last week? Apparently these announcers think they're breaking news by mentioning it.
Before somebody asks, I have no idea who they are. I was expecting Simms and it doesn't sound like him, so I think it's some other CBS pair.
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A play-action screen pass is "trickeration?"
I suppose play-action is technically tricking the defense, but I wouldn't use that word unless it's something unusual.
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sounds like the CBS crew in the FLA-ALA game yesterday where that counterflow TE drag route was a "trick play"
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In an only faintly-related note, the FOX production crew for NO-WAS didn't hear about the big game the Saints had last week; in their division standings for the AFCE, NE's still listed at 7-3.
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A few weeks ago, someone scored a TD and the on-screen FOX scoreboard awarded 6 points to the other team.
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It's supposed to be Ian Eagle and Rich Gannon.
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Oh. I would think I would recognize Rich Gannon's voice.
I may have to switch games now--Rich Gannon is worse than Phil Simms.
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Can anyone explain why Rex Grossman is throwing passes for Houston?
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Because Schaub has a separated left shoulder or a broken left clavicle from the looks of the hit he took.
DRAGON UNLEASHED!
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Thanks. My fantasy team is dead now.
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Schaub was injured on a sack. Grossman came in and almost immediately re-estalished his old Interceptosaurus Rex nickname. Two straight passes, picked on the second - either a horrible overthrow into the middle of the field or a horrible underthrow on a deep post route. It was such a bad throw, it's hard to be sure which.
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Looking at the scoreboard, R. Grossman picked off for HOU...looks like Schaub was injured on that first-play-of-the-drive sack and Evil Rex has replaced him?
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Pretty much. If Rex continues as he's started, we may be seeing some Orton-against-San-Diego-esque antics.
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That was an impressive series of plays for Miami. First down Henne gets sacked for a 7 yard loss. On second down, they have a pitch play in a single wing, but Henne's pressured before he can pitch the ball, and ends up throwing it backwards another 12 yards. Instead of picking up the ball and trying to run, Williams smartly falls on it, to avoid the play turning from a disaster to a catastrophe. 3rd and 32 is a short pass for minimal gain, obviously not going to risk further disaster.
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Tennessee drive stalls out at the 3 and Bironas hits a field goal.
Young was limping a bit, but did jog off the field without any time down. It looked like he got hit on the ankle.
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Steelers offense so far: 2 drives, 6 plays, 3 net yards.
FIRE THIS USELESS COACH AND HIS MINIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
JEEBUS.
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Wow, my announcer, Sam Rosen, correctly called an end-around.
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NO go 3 and out on their second drive.
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In an early highlight from OAK-PIT, after a long completion to Jonny Lee Higgins, Justin Fargas loses 4 yards on a 1st yard carry. Gets upset, spikes the ball, delay of game. 2nd & 19. Go Raidahs!
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Commitment to excellence, baby!
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Brian Dawkins just got trucked by Pope.
LMAO
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Clinton Ganther just ran down the Beltway for a 14-yard gain. NO have yet to show up for this game.
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Mendenhall busts one, but can't take it to the house....
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Macho Harris needs to go. Ay carumba!
On a side note, can anyone watching the Pats game say why Brady went to the locker room?
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Apparently he had a finger injury coming into the game and the announcers are assuming that was the issue. He ran off the field easily and did not seem in pain. He has since come in and led a second touchdown drive.
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Nate Washington had his man beat deep and Vince Young hit him perfectly, and he just dropped it. Should have been a touchdown.
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So far, the WSH game plan consists of runs and 8-yard passes. Yet, NO can stop none of it. It seems like the WSH receivers are getting 5-10 YAC every pass.
WSH back in the red zone.
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I should have mentioned that the only stops NO are getting is when Campbell over throws his receiver by 5 yards, which happens with disturbing regularity. Two such passes stall the WSH drive in the red zone and they settle for the FG. 10-0 WSH late in the 1st quarter.
To be a little fair to NO, they are occasionally getting decent pressure on Campbell which accounts for some of the bad throws.
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Redskin fans vividly remember Gregg Williams' addiction to non-sensical blitzes. NO has 3 cornerbacks inactive due to injury today. In Greggland, that means corner blitz after corner blitz. The Skins have done a good job overall using tight formations and short drops to get guys open quickly, but any time Campbell needs to make more than two reads or has to wait on a slow-developing fake, they're going to be in trouble. They just don't have the bodies up front.
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Steelers, 4th and 1 foot at the Raiders 4, go qb sneak (uhh, isn't he coming OFF A CONCUSSION ?!?!?!) , and don't get it.
LMAO
CLUELESS OMAR STRIKES AGAIN !!!!
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Awesome pass - McNabb to LEONARD WEAVER - 59 yards! Wow!
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Leonard Weaver courtesy of Tim Ruskell and the Seattle Seahawks. No, I'm not bitter.
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I know...sorry. On the plus side, apparently Holmgren wants to come back to the Seahawks as GM or President.
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No need to apologize, CathyW.
I'm not entirely sure having Holmgren come back as the GM would be a good thing. I can only point to his performance when he held both the GM and HC responsibilities early in his Seahawks' tenure when he did neither well. I acknowledge that it's entirely possible he would be an excellent GM if that were all he was doing. Maybe I'm just feeling the end-of-season malaise of a fan stuck with a bad team.
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They just showed Jim Zorn walking down the sideline and talking on the headset. Yet, the image I had was of a mentally disturbed person walking aimlessly and talking to himself. The saddest part of all that is that I *like* Jim Zorn.
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Manning is throwing deep to Garcon seemingly every play. He has three completions in six attempts for 99 yards--all the completions to Garcon.
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I don't get the game today, but I'm happy to see that my Broncos go through the first quarter in the lead. I do not expect victory in December at Arrowhead, ever.
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NO have a little drive going.
We may be getting a test of the new concussion rules here. Deverey Henderson just suffered a helmet-to-helmet collision on a play which gained a 1st down for the Saints.
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It took 15:40 for Manning to complete a pass to someone other than Pierre Garcon, and it's Dallas Clark.
I decided at the last minute to start Austin Collie on a fantasy team, so Manning now has no interest in throwing to him.
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Addai is running very hard so far. He just almost scored on a short pass when he got hit about 4 yards out.
And then took it in through the middle on the next play.
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Ah, it's a bit chilly in DC today. It's 39 degrees with a 10 mph wind blowing. That could be affecting NO a little.
As I write this, Shockey gets called for OPI on a play where he was wide open and made the catch. FOX never showed a replay that actually showed Shockey committing the OPI.
The announcers have commented on WSH Landry making a lot of high hits this game. Does Landry have a reputation as a head hunter?
Two plays after the OPI, the Saints come back to Shockey to get a 1st down in the red zone.
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The comment was regarding high hits in general (Darren Sharper just about took Devin Thomas's head off in the first quarter). Landry has a rep for trying to play like Sean Taylor--going for the big hit at any level rather than wrap up. The difference? Taylor played at 230; Landry's 200.
The Skins defense is playing well with a lot of great individual efforts so far, but at some point, the Saints are going to notice that the nickelback is Byron Westbrook, and at that point, it's over.
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Thanks for the clarification, perly. I was trying to type while listening, which is never a good mix for me since I'm not particularly good at either skill. I offer that as an explanation, not an excuse, of my sloppy description.
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I meant to write that I think it was Landry who had the helmet-to-helmet on Henderson.
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Yeah. It was. Looked like bad luck more than anything else, as Henderson was falling backward into Landry; what should have hit him in the numbers hit him in the back of the helmet. FWIW, Henderson's back in the game.
RE: Landry, he's a bad tackler, weak in coverage, and takes poor angles. But I don't think he's much of a headhunter.
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Thanks again, perly. I didn't think Landry had that reputation but I don't see many Redskins games. I agree his helmet-to-helmet on Henderson didn't look intentional.
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*blink*
Biz Markie has a commercial?
Biz Markie?!
Hasn't it been about 22 years since his one hit?
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Looked it up--19 years.
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McNabb runs for 1st down - I always, always hold my breath when he takes off. Then he slides ON HIS KNEES. Jeebus.
Wow, nice run by Leonard Weaver there - gain of 17 yards!
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The Saints drive stalls and they have to settle for the FG. 10-3 WSH early in the second quarter.
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Young completes a nice 25-yard pass to Britt. Then he completes a short pass to Hall, who promptly fumbles it away.
Is the rest of the Tennessee offense conspiring to make up for Vince?
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Redskins try and run to covert 3rd & 2. Result? no gain. The problem? The back in the formation, Marcus Mason, is a disaster in pass protection. They run every single time he's in the backfield. Tendencies.
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For whatever reason, the feed that both ESPN NFL GameCast and Yahoo StatTracker operate off of keeps crediting each Eagles completion to Kevin Curtis, and then going back and retroactively giving them to McNabb. As a McNabb owner in fantasy, this is making my Sunday a lot more stressful.
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Sorry Jeff M., but LMAO.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! "This is Our Country" is back.
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It went away?
Biz Markie is also back, which is far more confusing.
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Well, I think that's the first time I've heard it this season. But, I tend to either change the channel or mute the sound during the commercials, so I admit I could have missed the commercial playing this year.
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Great. That's Jacksonville-Houston all-but-over, not even half time yet, and I guarantee SkySports will make me watch the rest of it.
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The broncos just ran the ball 7 times, threw it once, averaged 7 yards a pop and go ahead 14-3. The ran it over left tackle 6 times.
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Nate Washington looks okay, but he was down on the field for a pretty long time.
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Elvis Dumervil with his 15th sack of the year. KC total: 14. It was also Dumervilles 12 coverage-sack of the year...
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I don't think a person can watch the Redskins without coming to the conclusion that if their defense has ever seen a double-move before, they certainly didn't see it again in film review. Colston slant-and-go over Laron Landry, Saints tie it at 10.
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Yeah, Landry bit badly on that play.
And, it's 10-10 now.
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Vince Young makes an awful throw that gets picked off. And now he's down on the sideline. Apparently there's no video showing him getting hurt at all. But Collins is warming up.
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So much for the Titans slim playoff hopes.
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They didn't have any playoff hopes. The 6 seed in AFC will be 10-6 with good tiebreakers. TEN has horrible tiebreakers.
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He actually came off the field, sat down on the bench, and then suddenly doubled over. Bizarre-looking.
Now he's up and walking back and forth on the sideline, but that just looked weird.
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Now he's back on the field and looks fine.
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Wow, Campbell to Moss for about 40 yards to the NO 17-yard line. A very pretty pass.
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Nice pass, but I don't really get Moss's decision after the catch. He tried to stop and let Jenkins overrun him to cut back inside. Minor gripes. Campbell's playing for his next contract, and making a pretty good case.
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We have yet to see Reggie Wayne today, but Pierre Garcon is apparently the new Jerry Rice. 4 catches for 108 yards and it's still not halftime.
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Manning to Wayne. Obviously, I am actually in control of Peyton Manning's targets.
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Touchdown to Austin Collie.
21-3 Indy.
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Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Santana Moss just made a sick cut on McKenzie (off a little smoke route), who lost his footing on the wet DC field. WSH have 1st and goal at the 5.
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Campbell to Thomas on a screen pass to the right side. Thomas beats the NO defense to the pylon for the TD. 17-10 WSH with 2:17 to go in the 1st half.
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TERRRRRRIBLE pick by BigBen.
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It's amusing to hear Dierdorf talk about all the times James Harrison gets held without it being called. Glad to know Steelers fans aren't alone.
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Young runs for a first down, but then he appears to be limping on the way back. He does seem to have some problem with his right knee.
He then completes a long pass to Hawkins
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WSH hold NO. Orakpo gets off his block and tackles Bush in space to force the 4th down.
But, then WSH suffer incredibly bad luck when the horrid NO punt hits one of the gunners and NO recovers.
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Back to back stupid defensive penalties on Eagles. Grrrr - this is when it seems they are doing their best to throw games away that they should win easily.
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The Titans manage to get into the endzone at the end of the first half on a pass to Kenny Britt. 21-10.
The trainers are spending a lot of time talking to Vince Young, it seems. (And it seems that they should be.)
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In one of the weirdest blitzes I've ever seen, the Skins bunch their entire defensive line over RG and RT, with safety Reed Doughty at RDE. Brees is pushed over out of his dropback and rolls backward for an 11-yard loss. 3rd & 26, Saints.
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you have got to be kidding, redskins.
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And then, the Saints throw the ball, Kareem Moore intercepts, gets stripped by Robert Meacham, TD Saints. 17-17. FML.
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Tony Brown (Ten) loses his helmet, gets up, yells at a Colts lineman, sticks his fingers in the guy's facemask, and screams his head off until the officials call a 15-yard penalty that gets the Colts into field goal range. He then continues to throw a fit on the next play as the Colts run for a short gain.
Stover is good from 43 to make it 24-10 at halftime--Brown still throwing a fit as he leaves the field.
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Garcon at halftime: 5 catches, 126 yards. I believe he has 7 targets and 4 first downs.
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I don't care what his stats might be, but I hate Tony Brown. He's the kind of player that will excessively celebrate every time he makes a tackle, even in the 59-0 loss at Foxboro. He just gave the Colts three points because he's such a ****.
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I don't believe what I just saw. On a second down play, the 'Skins run a delayed blitz and mega-sack Brees. On 3rd and 26, Brees is pressured, goes backwards, and throws a prayer off his back foot. WSH #41 Moore intercepts. NO Meechum strips Moore and runs it in for an apparent TD.
The play is under review. First, the interception may not have occurred. Two, Moore may have been DPC. I don't know if there's enough evidence to over turn.
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The ruling stands. Incredible. I can't overstate what a great play Meachum made to strip Moore. He took on Moore one-on-one, stood him up, stripped him of the ball as he knocked him to the ground, and then ran uncontested for the TD. This is one of the best plays of the season.
With :22 to go in the 1st half, it's 17-17.
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Are the Saints the world's luckiest team or what? On 3rd and 26, Brees is intercepted, but the intercepting player is stripped by Meechem, and he runs the fumble in for a TD. Review on the interception though, looks like he was downed right after the catch.
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that saints play was crazy in three acts.
Good call by the refs, no indisputable visual evidence to overturn it.
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Let's not forget that the Saints only had the ball because, after being stopped on 3rd & 1, their punter shanks the kick into the back of one of the Skins coverage team on the outside.
Honestly, this late in the season, I don't care if the Skins win or not. That blitz was moral victory enough.
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Too true. I don't know today if the Saints are the luckiest team in the NFL or if the Redskins are the unluckiest team in the NFL.
I think the Redskins have brought their "A-game" today, such as it is. The Saints seem to be hung over from last week's Patriots beat down, so the Redskins "A-game" is good enough to beat the Saints if the second half continues like the first half. It will be interesting to see if the Saints sober up for the second half.
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This has been a bad season for 'Skins fans, but that might have been the most soul-crushing two minutes of gameplay I've sat through. Stopping the Saints on two possessions, including one starting in WAS territory, only to give up such a ridiculous score ... ugh.
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1st and 20 on their 10 yard line, Brady under pressure, he throws what looked like a pick, but Aiken comes down with the ball somehow, and runs it in for a TD.
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DeerDork hypes up James Harrison, then he whiffs on a huge sack.
dammit.
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now that's the Rayda's we know and love...
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if Harrison hadn't blown that up, it would have worked, there was a receiver running WIDE open down the left hashes....
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What I thought happened and the commentators didn't mention was that as Landry was still touching Shockey, he was bobbling the ball, with it bouncing off his left arm. By the time he had control of the ball, he was no longer touching Shockey.
Ridiculous: Best scoring Offense, Best scoring Defense, and now, when the Offense has to play Defense it scores.
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TD Michael Vick! Getting big cheers from the Atlanta crowd.
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Reggie Wayne so far: 1 catch, 5 yards. By my count, 2 targets.
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Campbell-Thomas for 29 yards. Campbell threw a perfect pass to the outside shoulder of Thomas that only Thomas could catch. WSH threatening.
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Cartwright with another run down the Beltway to get the 'Skins into the red zone.
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WSH drive stalls and they settle for the FG. 20-17 'Skins early in the 3rd quarter.
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Another weird play. Stephon Heyer is a huge liability in run blocking (when people say he's a "natural LT", it's because he's marginally less bad in pass pass protection). Charles Grant is, AFAIK, pretty solid at the point of attack at LE. If you're Gregg Williams, what do you do?
Stunt Grant inside, letting Heyer get upfield and block linebackers? Brilliant!
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More bad luck for the 'Skins. The KO following the FG is a worm burner. One of the up-backs for NO tries to field the kick, but it goes threw his legs. Roby picks up the ball and runs it back to near midfield. As he's tackled, Roby fumbles, but the ball almost immediately goes out-of-bounds. There were a few 'Skins players nearby.
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Chi-Stl announcers are praising the Bears for running more than they've passed. No mention of the fact that they're playing the Rams, or that they have 3 yards per carry.
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The entire Colts defensive line got after Vince Young on that play, but he was able to get away and throw the ball away.
Also, Chris Johnson is not running like the boom-and-bust type he normally is. He's got 19 carries for 77 yards and his long is 11. The Colts defense has done a great job and been all over him at or behind the line, but he's been able to turn it into positive yardage regularly.
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The WSH run defense answers the bell again on 3rd and short and stops NO about half yard short of the 1st down. It'll be 4th and inches at the WSH 43. The Saints are going for it.
WSH stuffs Bell in the back field for a loss. 1st and 10 WSH at their 44. Haynesworth was instrumental on both run stuffs.
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Haynesworth just decided that he is going to beat the five Saints across from. He single-handedly stuffs the Saints twice!
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NO blows a coverage and Campbell hits Thomas down the sideline for 40 yards. If Campbell had hit Thomas in stride it would have been a TD. Instead, it was under thrown. WSH in the red zone again.
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Campbell to Thomas for the TD. It was a simple 3-yard check down on 3rd and 7. Thomas breaks a tackle or two and then tip-toes down the left side line for the TD. 27-17 'Skins.
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After looking at the replay, the play may have been designed for the shallow cross that Thomas ran as opposed to Campbell checking down after making a read.
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The Devin Thomas show! Skins up by 10!
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Aiken PI call was some grade-A bullshit.
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Tennessee can't score on 4th and goal at the two. Indy gets the ball back up 24-10. Now can we see the Austin Collie show?
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Doughty with a great open field tackle.
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Tardlin sends out Jeff Reed to try a 53-54 yard FG in the open end of Heinz Field.
What a total moron.
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NO has rediscovered its TEs. Two passes to Shockey (against Landry) and then a pass to #86 (I think) against a line backer gets the Saints drive started. Then, a nice pass to Henderson gets the Saints into the red zone.
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They just showed a replay of the Henderson catch, which apparently really wasn't. But, neither the officials nor the Redskins side line noticed (no challenge), so the play counts.
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The drive stalls, so NO settles for the FG to make the score 27-20 WSH late in the third quarter.
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Raydas driving down the field, about to go up 13-10 on the Steelers with 10 minutes to go
another blown 4th Q lead by captain Tardlin against a truly high quality opponent.
DISGRACEFUL.
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The Colts start at their own two. First, Addai carries and gets taken down behind the line. He did legitimately avoid the safety, but I think putting the ball right at the one yard line was a favorable spot by the officials. Then an incompletion to Garcon. Then they try another pass and Tennessee gets all over the backfield at the back of the endzone. But Manning gets away to complete a 9-yard pass to Reggie Wayne.
Reggie Wayne to this point: 2 for 15. No first downs.
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Raydas go up 13-10 on the Steelers, 8:20 to play.
I'd LOL if it weren't so tragic... the defending SB champs losing to
CHI
KC
OAK
CINx2
DISGRACEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE RESIGN, OMAR!
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I'm loving this... The Broncos blowing out a rival, AND the Steelers are losing too.
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Mike Wallace throws an EPIC block on a holmes completion
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Beautiful pass from Campbell to Randle El to get the 'Skins back into the red zone. I think the pass might have been over 50 yards, but these announcers don't believe in sharing that information. It looks like NO blew another coverage as Randle El was running wide open.
But, the 'Skins bad luck continues. Randle El was injured on the tackle. I thought he had seriously injured his shoulder, but coming back from commercial it looks like Randle El is ready to come back in the game.
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The 'Skins can't capitalize on the beautiful pass and settle for the FG. It's 30-20 WSH early in the 4th quarter.
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It was blown coverage in the sense that Jenkins isn't that good (and may never be that good in an Antrel Rolle sense). Looked like man under coverage, and Jenkins turned outside anticipating the wrong route. Randle El cuts inside, and Jenkins isn't quick enough to get back into position. Nice route; don't know whether it was a planned call or a sight adjustment.
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Houston with The Absolute Dumbest HB Pass... Ever!
I have never seen a worse executed HB Pass. There was NOBODY anywhere NEAR the pass.
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Then on the next drive, a perfectly executed play action pass at the goal line gets the touchdown to Johnson.
And THEN they run an a much less well executed play action pass from the 2yd line, and the 2pt conversion fails.
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I know it's a bit late, but: Don't get Houston's playcalling. AT. ALL. I was watching on Sky, too, and I'm not sure if I buy Nick Halling's explanation that he's too conservative until suddenly he isn't. They seem to have been expecting something completely different from the Jacksonville D that actually showed up. Not necessarily better or worse, but very different.
[Also, I love Nick Halling for pointing out in a way that American announcers never can that "Chicago's win is great news for Chicago fans, and it makes absolutely no difference to anyone else."]
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Steelers stop a kickoff return at the 15.
Lookout, we've entered bizarro world.
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Tennessee's Michael Griffin is leaving the field accompanied by trainers. On the field, it really doesn't look like much--Gannon suggests it looks like a stinger, but I don't believe in trusting anything Rich Gannon ever says.
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WSH goes for a pooch kick, which fools the Saints. NO manages to cover the kick at their 21-yard line.
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OMAR TARDLIN watches as Gradkowski scorches Ike Taylor via Louis Murphy for a 75 yard TD .
LMAO.
"wut"
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Um, Chris Brown now has six pass attempts for Houston.
What the hell?
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no other options?
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Well, Schaub came back into the game and I can't find anything saying why he's not in now. Even if he's back out, they're THAT unimpressed with Grossman that they're going to Chris Brown?
Statistically, he is easily outplaying Grossman, so maybe they're right.
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Chris Brown is now officially the best quarterback the University of Colorado has ever produced.
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Apparently this was just a weird mistake on Sportsline. All but one of the attempts (an interception) just got moved to Schaub, and that's what NFL.com shows.
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I'd have to say the biggest surprise in this game is how completely the 'Skins d-line has dominated the Saints o-line in the running game. It's early in the 4th quarter and the Saints have less than 40 yards rushing, I think.
Of course, as I write this, it looks like the Saints have decided to abandon the running game and their passing game looks to be heating up.
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'Skins blitz on 3rd and 11. Brees escapes Orakpo and completes a 28-yard pass to shoeless Robert Meachem to get the Saints in the red zone.
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WSH make another great red zone stand and hold NO to the FG. It's 30-23 WSH about half way through the 4th quarter.
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Actually, 6:52 to go in the game.
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And with Golston hurt, the Skins are down to Haynesworth and a couple of oversized LDEs (Daniels and Alexander) at DT. The Saints' running game is poised to improve.
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Looks like Golston might be okay.
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William Gay takes a frinedly EarHole from Mundy and is down.
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Thomas starts a return left, runs up the back of his blocker, and then cuts it back to the right and gets out to the WSH 41-yard line.
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WSH driving and are now in the red zone after a NO face mask penalty.
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WSH sustaining a nice drive. They've taken nearly 4 minutes off the clock and have 1st and goal.
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WSH forces NO to use all of its TOs. WSH ran three times for little or no gain from the 5-yard line to get the clock to the 2-minute warning (actual is 1:56). I might have gone play action on the third down since an incompletion would not have mattered because of the two minute warning.
Unbelievable, Suishem (sp?) misses wide right. It's still 30-23 WSH with 1:52 to go.
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Steelers are about to lose this.
FML
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1st and 10 from the 11. raiders 1 TO, 0:22 to play, Steelers ahead
FML
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Steelers Lose
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Goddamnit Ryan Mundy. This was a horrible game and it was still winnable until you gave it away. Great showing by the D also.
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I HATE YOU OMAR!
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Refs miss defensive holding by Miami, and Brady chucks an INT on the next play FTL.
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(also, no idea why Brady wasn't called in the grasp.)
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wow. missed FG. 2 minutes, drew.
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Wow. Suisham missed an absolute chip shot. Jim Zorn looks like someone just took a meat grinder to his . . . well, he looks pained.
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Not to make light of the fact that he's down right now, but does Haynesworth ever play 2 games in a row without leaving with an injury?
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Albert Haynesworth down with a leg injury on the Saints first play after the missed FG. There was nothing on the replay to suggest how he got injured. He was matched up one-on-one with one of the Saints o-line and nothing remotely questionable happened.
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Haynesworth walked off the field under his own power, but he was limping slightly.
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He's back in. Just in Time for Brees to throw a TD.
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Touchdown to Meachem and the Saints still have life.
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I feel bad for the skins... And Zorn... So, so unlucky - the Saints have no business being in this one...
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On the play where Haynesworth comes back in, Brees hits Robert Meachem on a 53-yard TD strike. Landry bites on another double move to get burned again. 30-30 with 1:19 to go. WSH has 2 TOs.
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Winning at Arrowhead in December makes this my favorite Broncos team since at least 2000.
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In slim competition, I might add.
And a little help from the Raiders is icing on the cake. Go Browns!
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Campbell a little gimpy now. Hoo boy. Talk about being snake bit. Will Smith falls on Campbell's ankle,
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After a 'Skins penalty, on the next play NO commits another face mask. Then, on the play following that, Campbell makes his first bad throw of the game and is picked off by Vilma. 1st and 10 Saints from their 46 with :28 to go and no TOs. Bush holds on the 1st down play.
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Where are all the usuals who flame me as being ridiculous for saying Omar isn't a great coach? Surely a 2009 season where you lose to OAK,KC,CHI, etc is the mark of a great coach, right?
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Yeah firing a coach who wins the Super Bowl 67% of his seasons in charge, will make a lot of sense.
"What have you done for me lately?" seems to be the appropriate phrase...
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You're giving him this year's Super Bowl?
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Sorry to say, but FireOmarTomlin:Tomlin::Chris:Jason Campbell.
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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 4:30pm
Yeah firing a coach who wins the Super Bowl 67% of his seasons in charge, will make a lot of sense.
"What have you done for me lately?" seems to be the appropriate phrase...
>>>>
when one has won 1 SB, how can one have a 66% success rate given integer-based seasons as a metric ?
if you want to insult me, at least show you can count and do 4th grade math.
This post won't make sense , given you will go edit your terrible mistake.
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66.67 (implied)
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If you're insulted by that comment, you might want to look out for the rest of the internet. It's a big, bad, abusive world out there.
One guy disagreeing with you is the least of your worries.
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Ha, okay. I assigned the seahawks SB to Tomlin, by mistake.
Still, bitching about your coach a year removed from a SB win, seems pretty spoiled...
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Most of us are ignoring you in the hope that you will leave.
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maybe you should face ftacts and relaize Raiders are better team than Steelers. Raiders prove it on field. Game not played on itnerent messgae board
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You're the guy who goes around to all of his co-workers complaining about his boss. Yeah, we get it already. Congrats, your life sucks, now shut up and find a different way to deal with the situation.
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Gah! This San Diego offense is so frustrating to root against. Tomlinson for 1 on first down. Tomlinson for no gain on second down. 16 yard pass to Gates on third down. Repeat.
And the announcers hailing the "balance" of SD.
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Regardless of how this game comes out, if you didn't see it and you get the NFL Network, you should seriously consider watching it on NFL Replay later in the week. It has been a very entertaining game.
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58 yarder coming up...
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Apparently they've changed their mind and Brees gets one more play. Incomplete.
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Saints line up for a 58-yard FG attempt to take the lead. WSH calls TO. The Saints offense comes back on the field. The short pass attempt is deflected and falls incomplete. The Saints FG unit comes back on the field with :03. The attempt is short, WSH has a man back who runs out of the end zone, but doesn't get far. OT upcoming.
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And we have overtime.
Hartley's FG try wasn't even close--I'm not sure they should have even tried it if he couldn't come any closer than that.
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WSH wins the toss and will take the ball.
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How about those Oakland Raiders? They're 2-0 against PA.
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I think the DBC call will be upheld.
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WSH totally screwed on that call IMHO. Wow.
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After seemingly an hour under the hood, the call is overturned and New Orleans has the ball at the Washington 37.
The officials are just trying to make us both look bad.
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I'm guessing that this review upholds the call on the field.
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wow. I thought there was no way that call was going to be overturned.
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Do the referees even know the rule for reviews?
Never, EVER try to guess what a NFL official is going to call.
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I'd be interested to see the single game DVOA for this one. Washington seemed to be way the best team. But holy conoly they've been unlucky...
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New Orleans finally wins. Kudos to Payton for letting his offense move into close range instead of, like most coaches, assuming that anything under 50 yards should be automatic for his kicker.
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I thought he might let Brees try a sneak--I mean, it's SECOND down, not third; you would still have an extra down for a bad hold/snap. Not to mention, it's the six-inch line--if you don't get it, the FG is still the same. With Hartley, a 2nd year kicker, I was still slightly nervous--I mean, Suisham (sp?) missed a chippy that should have won the game right after the 2 minute warning.
Don't get me wrong--it's a lucky win, but it is a WIN that keeps the Saints PERFECT!!!!!!! GEAUX Saints!!!!
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WSH goes for the TO right before the snap ploy, which I hate. It doesn't matter. Saints kick the FG and win.
Earlier in the thread, dmb called the end of the first half the most soul-crushing two minutes of WSH football he's seen this year. I can't help but feeling the end of the game was even more soul-crushing to 'Skins fans.
Kudos to the Saints for playing all 60+ minutes. They weren't on their "A-game" today, but they found away to win on the road against a plucky 'Skins team. I would like to see the Saints go 19-0 for a variety of reasons and that's still a possibility.
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I don't know which end-of-the-half turn of the events was worse. All I know is that it felt like the Redskins were in control for 56 minutes of regulation -- everything before the 2-minute warning in both halves -- and then things just went out of control.
I guess it's consolation that this game didn't really have any significance for playoff chances. I can only imagine how frustrating this would be if it had actually meant something.
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Brady Quinn is moving the ball on the Chargers. Scrambling around, completing passes to players I havent even heard of... Weird, very weird.
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Does he have any players to throw to of whom you have heard? I seriously think the only pass-catcher they have who I could name is Massaquoi, and that's because I thought he was going to be the star of my second-half Loser League team.
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completing passes to players I havent even heard of...
Isn't that a given, since it's the Browns?
Well, except for the completing passes part.
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Poor Washington and now I officially dislike the Saints. I hate teams getting lucky, especially undefeated teams. See the Patriots 2007 v Ravens. Man that game cheesed me off...
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Graphic in the SD game: It's been 17 weeks since the Browns have had a rushing TD.
Quinn strip-sacked on third and goal. SD ball on about the 15.
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That's wrong. Quinn had a rushing TD against the Lions I believe.
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told all Raiders would win. 4-8 baby. .500 record is sight. Moving on up now. sitll can finish ahead of bioncos and mathrahmetically alive . Sierra bevada oging down nicre this evening
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I'm concerned now. For the first time I ever remember seeing, Raiderjoe got Sierra Nevada wrong (Sierra bevada).
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It was a typo, not a wrongly spelled word. b and n are next to each other on the keyboard. raiderjoe misspells much less often than hits the key next to the letter intended (or in addition to).
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And what I said was that he "got Sierra Nevada wrong," not that he misspelled it.
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I'm probably over-responding to a post which is more about Sierra Nevada than anything else, but to be clear, the Raiders can't finish ahead of the Broncos at this point. Even if the Broncos lose their last four and the Raiders win their last four, the Broncos have the division record tiebreaker locked up over the Raiders. But yes, the Raiders are mathmatically alive for the 6th seed.
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Why oh why do we get Giants - Cowboys in the UK? I know, I know, it's clearly the best of the 4.15 kickoffs, but I can't actually decide which one I'd rather see lose.
Am I okay to root for a 45-45 tie where both quarterbacks "choke" repeatedly in an overtime interception-fest?
Both then going on 4 game December losing streaks to close out the season would be delicious.
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Wow--serious NFC East hatred there.
Of course, given my hatred of certain NFC North quarterbacks, I sympathize.
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It's not the NFC East as a whole, just those two organisations. I've just spent almost four hours rooting for the Redskins (not coincidentally, my wife's a Saints fan) and I quite like the Eagles for a delightful mixture of sado-masochism and comic relief.
Giants and Cowboys however... I tend to wish as much ill on those two organisations as I can without becoming morally reprehensible (I draw the line at wishing injuries on people; that's not big or clever no matter how much you dislike somebody).
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Because the Vikings are playing one of the prime time games?
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I have to say that I agree with Troy Aikman that I do not understand what was going on with the "fight" (it was sort of a baseball-style fight) at the end of the half and Giants declining a penalty.
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san fran is aware that frank gore plays for them, right?
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Feagles has been awesome for a long time.
But I really hope the Giants replace both of their footmen next year.
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Any chance you'd take Chris Hanson in a trade? Please?
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nice playcall by dallas for the touchdown pass. This game looks like what I would expect out of these two teams-pretty close, no love lost between the teams.
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Brandon Jacobs running an actual pass pattern (not a dumpoff) gets the pass and takes it all the way up the left sideline for a 74 yard score. Play's under review as he might have stepped out - I dare not guess what the referees will decide in replay.
PS. Looks like Anthony Spencer can't cover. Who knew?
PPS. Play upheld on review.
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Great play. 'Bruising' back who brings it to the house.
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The Niners were driving with passing and a reverse.
They promptly do a traditional run up the middle with Gore who fumbles the ball back to Seattle. Which proves the 49ers shouldn't do traditional runs.
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Nice. The Giants literally just argued the referees into throwing a flag for intentional grounding against Romo. It's pretty clear who he was aiming for, though he didn't get close to a completion. They weren't going to call it, Giants argued, flag eventually thrown.
Two plays later, Giants punt return touchdown from Hixon, Giants up by 14. I think I'm persuaded: the Giants are even worse than the Cowboys at this point - and I don't mean in football ability terms.
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Oh, and awful, AWFUL coverage by Dallas on the punt. They had four guys in position to make the tackle, all unblocked, and every single one either whiffed, didn't wrap up, or overpursued. Horrific.
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If BlueDude from Avatar manages to kill the FOX Robot, I might actually have to go see that movie.
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Hawks win a yawner of a second half, Giants seal the win by recovering a bizarre onside kick. How spectacularly exciting...
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I was oddly uninterested in that Dallas-New York game that seems like it should have been exciting.
However, I do think that the Cowboys' loss sealed my fate for picking games this week.
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It should have been, but it just... wasn't. I can't really explain it either. I was so disinterested I went looking for a way to watch Seahawks - 49ers. I didn't even realise what I was doing until both games were over and I realised I could remember about two plays from each - and one of each was a punt return.
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so could the game have started out any worse for the cardinals?
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Wow, is no one watching the game?
Anyway, so much for all the hype about the Viking's QBs TD-Int ratio...
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I just peeked at it for the first time. I'm afraid that I'm good luck for him, so I'm not watching.
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A completion to LaRod Stephens-Howling--the best name in the NFL, bar-none. I hope he becomes some sort of brilliant player so I can type his name regularly.
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well had brillant gmame vs Titas when return kickoff for td and downed two pints close to end zonre. other greta names you maybe want to mark down to make note of
Chad Ocochinco (crap name in my opinison but others semem to like it0
Nnamdi Asomugha
JOhnnie Lee Higgins
Sebastian Janikowski
JaMarcus Russell
Stanford Routt
Chaz Schilens
A.J. Hawk (name always make think of Flash Gordon movie. Wrote about it other times but wanto to mentoin it again becuuase younger posters maybe not familiar with it and should wantch it. In movie Flash Gordon arriive on other planet to save earth or something. Was long time agao when see so forgot main points and stuuf..But Flasj Godorn was Jets quarterback and uses football moves to fight alien beings in beginning part of movie. Also throws around a football spehere shaped object. If wtahc when young movie can make impresison on you. It make you feel good for the Jets Qb and make you think he really did save earth. When see movie it alsmot make me want to be Jets fan. But then deicide to stay Raiders fan becuauuse Raiders more intereetsed in winnign Super Bowls. Jets more interetsted in making movies about fighting space beasts and being in Sopranso epsiodes and tyring to kiss Suxzy Klober. Jets not a team interetsted in winning as much as some others.
Nail FDoiggs
Stylez G. White
Takeo Spikes
Michael Bumpus (name remind of Bumpus hounds in Christmas Story movie about kid who wantr gun but then shoot himself under eye, At first kid accidnentally agree with Santa Claus that he want football becausue was nerbvous but then realie mistake when slding down slide so he tlel Santa he want gun, but if think about it footbal was better present. Football better to have than gun. Make more fun for you and kids in neighborhood. Look at Plaxico Burris. He chose gun over football and instad of eye he almost shoot balls or leg off and now in jail playing football in showers.
Drew Brees
Danny Woodhead
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First of all, the parallel between Plaxico Burris and A Christmas Story is absolutely inspired.
I agree that Nnamdi Asomugha, A.J. Hawk, and Danny Woodhead are good names, but I'm not a fan of the others you mention. I especially hate Stylez G. White.
LaRod Stephens-Howling, Syndric Steptoe, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and Rashard Mendenhall come to mind as great names.
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Kyle Vandenbosch!! Or however it's spelled...
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GUY WHIMPER!!!
But then deicide to stay Raiders fan becuauuse Raiders more intereetsed in winnign Super Bowls. Jets more interetsted in making movies about fighting space beasts and being in Sopranso epsiodes and tyring to kiss Suxzy Klober. Jets not a team interetsted in winning as much as some others.
Quote of the year. I demand this goes into PFP 2010, and raiderjoe be paid residuals for it.
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Syndric Steptoe seconded, along with A.J. Hawk & Chaz Schilens.
I'm also a big Al Afalava fan. Reminds me of Bob Loblaw. And I have to put in a good word for Rock Cartwright, Frostee Rucker, and Leodis McKelvin.
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Can anybody say what has led to this meltdown from [Vikings QB]? Has he just been that bad or is it the line or the Cardinals or something else?
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Following a Jared Allen sack, Al Michaels said "Sooner or later, 69 is going to get in your face." Taking it out of context, my immediate thought was "I can only hope!"
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Shouldn't it be 4 down territory for the Vikes? Cue TMQ "fraidy-cat punt=writing game over in my notebook."
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Total agreement here.
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Al Michaels does his best to explain that the Cardinals have had a tough time since Bill Bidwill got there but it's not Bidwill's fault--it's just been too tough of a job.
Terry Metcalf is either laughing at home or on his way to strangle Al Michaels.
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E.J. Henderson is down and the cart is out. Childress looks concerned. This looks to be quite a serious injury--good luck to Henderson. Especially after the serious injury last year.
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Gruesome leg injury to EJ Henderson. I think his leg is broken, the lower part went off in a different direction completely.
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That would have been my guess, too.
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And its a fractured femur. done for the year, obviously. Have serious doubts about his career.
Here it is in slow motion, don't watch if you're squeamish...
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Stop giving the ball to Peterson! I have a 7-point lead in one league and he has Peterson and Longwell left.
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Childress has complied with my wishes and is now using only Chester Taylor.
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[Vikings QB] just uncorked one hell of a throw over the middle to Harvin for a meaningless TD.
It sounds like Collinsworth is saying that [Vkings QB's] reads have been the issue in this game.
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The issue is in the line play. Both Cardinals lines dominated the Vikings lines. More than anything else that was the story of the game.
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I have been being tortured all day and missed games.
Is Shaub's injury serious?
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Schaub has a dislocated left shoulder.
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the game was clearly over after the long clock-eating drive culminating with a Rackers FG, but Warner and Favre were left in there to take hits. Bizarre.
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last weeks dvoa ratings i commented on cincinatti, san diego and pittsburgh. my prediction was that san diego would win, cincy would win and pittsburgh would lose. and following those three happening, pittsburgh would remain ahead of both those teams. dont fail me now dvoa!!! Keep san diego rated poorly. Only makes each victory that much sweeter
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Just came in to say that "itnerent" is my new favorite word.
Thanks, Raiderjoe.
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Now Warner has an injured hip to go along with the aftereffects of a concussion. Nice job, Cardinals!
[quote]The good news for the Arizona Cardinals was that they manhandled the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday night.
The bad news, possibly, is that quarterback Kurt Warner will be dealing with another injury.
Warner told Andrea Kremer after the game that he "banged" his hip on the last throw he made in the 30-17 win. It's the hip other than the hip that was surgically repaired in the offseason.
"I really don't know what it is right now," he said. "It doesn't feel horrible. . . . It might hurt for a couple days."
Warner was seen limping late in the game and after it.[/quote]
Those last throws he made were pointless, too. Arizona kept Warner in and was calling pass plays well after the game was decided. If they wanted to keep passing instead of simply running the ball and grinding the clock, they should have brought in Leinart.
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ah. the '83 packers-redskins tilt. awesome game.
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Ravens blakc pants with unstriped socks make it look like they are wearing leotartds
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The classic "we're pretty sure this is the right call" challenge overturn. Nothing indisputable about it.
For what it's worth, I think the eventual decision was correct - but it was definitely not indisputable.
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I thought it was pretty clearly a fumble, actually. And the Foxworth DPI was highly questionable.
Then Rodgers, gracious sportsman that he is, gives the ball right back to the Ravens.
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Which proves my point about it being far from indisputable.
Looks like Flacco and Rodgers are planning to spend the evening exchanging punt-length interceptions.
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Looks pretty indisputable to me:
http://tweetphoto.com/6033006
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I'll dispute it. I think at that point the ball is rotating into the picture frame. Looked to me in video replay like it started moving basically as soon as the LB got both hands on it.
Not that it matters at all.
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well, that pic is all I have. I don't have the video. But in the pic it looks to me like the knee is down and the LB has zero hands on the ball.
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Unfortunately, you can't use a still to prove whether the ball's on its way out when the knee hits. It came out almost the split second the knee touched the ground. Viewed even in slow-motion, it could justifiably have been called either way. That means it should not have been overturned, no matter how much more likely it is that he was down (as I've said, I think he was down and the eventual decision was correct). It's not indisputable.
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Oh I agree. "Pretty clearly" is overstating it a bit, it was more that I'd 'guess' it was actually a fumble based on the replays I saw. No reason to overturn the call on the field, not that that has anything to do with replay calls anymore.
The first quarter was entertaining in a comedy-of-errors type of way. Rodgers has overthrown people a lot today.
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The Packers' front seven forced Flacco to run an Archimedes' spiral in probably the most amusing free play I've seen this year.
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What is it with CBs holding the WRs' hands today? That's what, 4 now?
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Well we are watching the two most penalised teams in the league. Did the commentators mention that yet? *Cough.*
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Nice drive by green bay, capped with good catch and run by driver.
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Terrible, terrible tackling in the secondary though. What's up with the number of corners who can't simply tackle a guy when he catches the ball? They seem to have this really dumb habit of diving at the guy instead of just tackling him (see Davone Bess TD yesterday and Driver TD this evening).
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Clay Matthews is looking like a Star and Raiji is playing well, maybe GB finally learned how to draft Defensive players
Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
What's this? A defensive penalty on a throw? Inconceivable!!
Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
Yeah, I really like Raji. I wish the packers would have a chance to get that Suh kid, but that's not going to happen.
Re: Week 13 Open Discussion Thread
The inconsistency of pass interference, chapter 345.
Baltimore is flagged for DPI on a late flag flying across from the other side of the field on a play when the ball was five yards overthrown, at at worst minimal contact is made.
Five minutes later, a Raven receiver literally has his left arm held while a pass arrives, and no flag is forthcoming.
I get really sick of this crap. And I'm not a Ravens fan here. The NFL really needs to make an effort to do a better, more consistent job calling pass interference penalties. The Packers have four first downs from PI tonight.
It really ruins a football game like no other referee action when a dubious PI flag is called.